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Talk:Irreducible Complexity

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Criticism

I've lost track: where is discussion of irreducible complexity supposed to happen? There's a couple of criticisms that I'd like to see discussed. -- Corkscrew 11:21, 1 April 2006 (CST)

You've come to the right place! Type away! -- JosephCCampana 12:47, 1 April 2006 (CST)

OK. These are fairly standard criticisms, but I feel they need to be addressed:

1) Irreducible complexity is generally stated as meaning that the system stops performing its current function if a part is removed. How is the possibility of the remaining parts performing some other useful task removed? The classic example here is the bacterial flagellum, a big chunk of which functions perfectly happily as a secretion system.

2) An irreducibly complex system performing a given function can be created by taking a reducibly complex system performing that function and removing as many parts as you can. This is evolutionarily plausible if, for example, the reducibly complex system evolved in a period with lots of chemical resources floating around, and then famine hit. Discuss. :)

Either of these two approaches, if hypothetically possible, would seem to falsify the hypothesis that an IC system cannot plausibly evolve. This would leave IC as nothing more than a handy rule of thumb, if that. -- Corkscrew 14:01, 1 April 2006 (CST)

New question

Removed new question. Question seemed like a critique, and not a question inspiring further thought on the topic. Please move to FAQ or start a new critique page. Also, question seemed ill-phrased, since science doesn't "prove" any proposition, it collects evidence to verify, modify, or falsify an idea. Rephrase or move to FAQ. -- Joseph C. Campana 19:08, 28 June 2006 (CDT)

• How can we prove that a structure is Irreducibly Complex without a full and complete description of all evolutionary processeses involved in its construction (since a full and complete description is impossible to collect)?

Fair enough. Is there a template for critique pages I should use? --Don Music 11:24, 29 June 2006 (CDT)

Don, we have not developed a critique template, but if you provide a nice example of a critique, we could base it on your contribution. -- Joseph C. Campana 11:28, 29 June 2006 (CDT)